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No, he isn’t. He makes others do the dirty work, and pretends not to know anything.

You mean that the local organisation in Nicaea takes on the protection of other organisations of Golden Dawn, too?

Yes, it does: whichever organisation calls – from Piraeus, Salamina, Perama, etc. Where there is a problem. The assault group went to Thermopylae and to Salamina. When there were other people, they beat foreigners in order to show who they are.

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Have you had clashes with anti-fascists at other times?

No. This was first time when someone said that he was an anti-fascist and he was killed because of that.

What should you do in order to enter the assault group?

You must have a strong stomach and accept everything. You are nothing. Do you know what it is to be told "Fall down!" and be kicked in front of everybody? You're nothing and whatever you are told, you have to do it. You have no opinion. It is an order.

What do you know about the murder of Pavlos Fyssas, what have you heard from other members of Golden Dawn and what do you think happened?

I know that he was in the firing line, because he had anti-fascist songs. There were verses which offended Golden Dawn. Everybody can write whatever they want. However, this doesn’t mean that you have a weapon in your hand. He was anti-fascist and sang about it, and they knew it.

There are witnesses stating that the two members of Golden Dawn who were in the same bar as Fyssas, called somebody and informed him. Based on the hierarchy, who would they call?

Patelis. Everybody has his phone number. And they called either him directly, or someone who told him. Patelis told Lagos. And Lagos should have told Mihaloliakos. While I was in the organisation in Nicaea, we were told that this is the order.

So, what is the hierarchy?

Whatever happens, you have to tell Patelis. You never call Lagos directly. Lagos informs Mihaloliakos.

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Does Lagos inform Katsidiaris, Panayotaros and other members?

I don't know, but I guess that he informs them. At Nicaea, we called Patelis, Patelis called Lagos and we were told that the leader gives the "OK". You could go somewhere only if he allowed it.

Could something happen without the approval of the leader?

Maybe. But without Lagos’s approval - never. Lagos is Nicaea’s “back”. He knows everything about protection, beatings and thefts on Memou Square and Eleftherias.

What do you mean by protection?

We sell protection to bars and restaurants. They want to take it from the Albanians who possess it now.

Do you know where the local organisation in Nicaea takes its finances from?

No. I have only seen contributions from members. People came and gave a 200 euro fee.

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What was George Rupakiyas’s connection with the organisation in Nicaea? Was he Patelis’s right hand?

Besides being in the Nucleus, Patelis appointed him with no elections, nothing at all, to the five-member council of Nicaea. And he puts only his own people in the five-member council.

What exactly does the five-member council do?

It takes all decisions about Nicaea. There was a record, but I do not know if it still exists.

That is, there are records that mention names?

Yes, the five-member council includes Patelis, his wife Nitsa, Tsakanikas, who is Egyptian, and since he could not be a member, they put his wife Anastasia, Roupakiyas and a man named Vasilis, but I do not know his last name.

Does George Rupakiyas have a party card?

Yes, he is a member of the party. From the moment you enter the organisation, you pay 20 euro and you show your ID card. You keep your membership card – it should exist in the records. There is also a notebook in which you sign your name when you get the card and provide a phone number, an address where you live, your marital status, and men should state whether they have served in the military and where. This is a standard file. Those who are in the closed Nucleus, have a special card with a photo. The contribution of each member is also recorded.

What do you mean?

How many Pakistanis they have beaten, how many meetings they have attended, how many times they have attended organisational activities.

Who is Nicole Benecki who appeared on pictures together with N. Skarpeli?

She is Lagos’s girlfriend. They expelled her from central offices, since she is Albanian, and he put her in Piraeus. As a Greek, I cannot accept the fact that an Albanian will determine my ideology.

Did assault groups start from Nicaea? How many collisions have they attended?